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 I agree. Winning the election (i.e. making it through the Constitutional
hoops) is an interesting enough proposition. The other aspects could be
handled by a COUP20-style claim with its own set of rules.

On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 6:26 PM Sam Fentress <> wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 11:54 PM @lbutlr <> wrote:
>> What ifs there is no tie, but the instruments of government refuse to
>> acknowledge the vote? What if he lose the EC and is still awaited the
>> Office? What if Trump simply refuses to leave office and has the backing of
>> all the people he’s appointed who have pledged loyalty to him and not the
>> US?
> The original claim was "Trump wins the presidential election in 2020."
> This seems to me to be the intent of the claim -- the winning of the
> election, not all the possible, impossible, and imaginary scenarios that
> may take place later.
> I personally think that the whole discussion of who is or isn't legally
> president on a certain day in 2021 is beside the point IF the original
> intent of the claim was about the election itself -- i.e. the will of the
> American people etc etc -- and not about legal shenanigans. And the way you
> measure who has won a presidential election is by the Electoral College
> counts presented to Congress. (And if you're worried that there's a chance
> the results may be delayed, then push the deadline way back, because saying
> that a candidate hasn't won because the results aren't in sounds strange to
> me.)
> If, however, the claim proposer is more interested in who is in office on
> Feb 1st, regardless of the election, then we should remove the election
> aspect entirely, and determine some other way that we will decide what
> counts as being the "President of the USA."
> I think tying the two parts together is what's generating all the
> discussion.
> Sam

          Jim Gillogly

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