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Re: fx-discuss: FX Claim Spce can be judged 0

Author: chrisran.bma e-mail
Conversation: Re: fx-discuss: FX Claim Spce can be judged 0 ( prev | next ) reply!
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Date: Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:00 am

chrisran.bma e-mail
Joe Strout



Hi,

Sent this over a month ago.

Anyone agree or disagree that it is now impossible to be judged true and claim
indicates it can be judged in such circumstances.

Is the judge niobium ( mcb@postmodern.com mailto:mcb@postmodern.com ) aware of
this message?

Regards

Chris Randles

(crandles 7886)

> On 25 July 2017 at 12:44 "chrisran.bma e-mail" <chrisran.bma@virgin.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> >"The 'Yes' verdict on this claim is dependent upon a private company
> >without direct government subsidy mounting its own program of space
> >exploration and exploitation. ....
>
> 2) the company must have more employees in space (defined as LEO or
> further) than any single government or international organization for at least
> one year,"
>
> ISS has been continuously crewed
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_International_Space_Station_expeditions
> and there are 3 people in space at present all on ISS
> http://www.howmanypeopleareinspacerightnow.com/, 2 of whom are NASA astronauts
> and one Russian Fyodor Yurchikhin. NASA, Roscosmos and RSC Energia who make
> Soyuz spacecraft all gets governmental budget. I assume ISS consortium counts
> as an international organization.
>
> LEO requirement appears to me to exclude SpaceShipOne and any other
> suborbital flights.
>
> "Charles David “Charlie” Walker (born August 29, 1948) is an American
> engineer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer who flew on three Space
> Shuttle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle missions in 1984 and 1985
> as a Payload Specialist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payload_Specialist for
> the McDonnell Douglas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas
> Corporation.[1]
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_D._Walker#cite_note-jsc.nasa.gov-1 He
> is the first non-government individual to fly in space."
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_D._Walker
>
> This is before claim commenced but in any case:
>
> "This [Commercial Astronaut] is distinct from an otherwise non-government
> astronaut (such as Charlie Walker
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_D._Walker ) who flies while representing
> a non-government corporation but with funding and/or training coming from
> government sources."
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_astronaut
>
> "Two Commercial Astronaut awards have been made. They are SpaceShipOne
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Composites_SpaceShipOne pilots Mike
> Melvill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Melvill and Brian Binnie
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Binnie ."
>
> So neither of these two have made it to orbit and total duration of 3
> flights that reached space was under 73 minutes and much less than that in
> space. So there is no way to get to more employees in space for at least one
> year.
>
> I also looked at "Teacher in Space" project - none made it to space and
> "Educator Astronaut Project" but these were required to become NASA
> Astronauts.
>
> Then there are the 7 space tourists (8 visits).
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_tourism
>
> These are, I suggest, going in own capacity even though likely also
> private company employees. If not satisfied by that, the most days in orbit
> for all tourists combined in any 12 month period appears to be 37 days
> (12+14+11).
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_International_Space_Station_visitors
>
> has a table for all visitors by agency:
>
> NASA 250
>
> Roscosmos 83 (Russian Federal Space Agency)
>
> European Space Agency (ESA) 23
>
> Japan Aerospace Exploration agency (JAXA) 12
>
> Canadian Space Agency 8
>
> Centre national d'études spatiales(CNES) 1 French government space agency
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_agency
>
> Brazilian Space Agency (AEB) 1
>
> National space agency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_agency of
> Malaysia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia (ANGKASA) 1
>
> Korea Aerospace Research Institute(KARI) 1
>
> National Space Agency of the Republic of Kazakhstan (KazCosmos) 1
>
> Tourists 8
>
>
> The tourists have been discussed above and the rest look like National
> Government Space Agencies which will have direct government subsidy.
>
> Similar situation for Mir except there was Project Juno sending Helen
> Sharman:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Juno
>
> The cost of the flight was to be funded by various innovative schemes,
> including sponsoring by private British companies and a lottery system.
> Corporate sponsors included British Aerospace
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Aerospace , Memorex
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorex , and Interflora
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interflora , and television rights were sold to
> ITV https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITV_Network .
>
> but
>
> Ultimately the Juno consortium failed to raise the entire sum, and the
> Soviet Union considered cancelling the mission. However Mikhail Gorbachev
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Gorbachev directed the mission to
> proceed at Soviet cost.
>
> Also only 8 days and was before claim started.
>
> For Tiangong space station, "With a duration of 15 days, Shenzhou 10 was
> China's longest manned space mission to date, until Shenzhou 11's 30 day
> mission to Tiangong-2 in 2016."
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiangong-1
>
> Only one visit to Tiangong-2, as mentioned above only 30 days.
>
>
> That covers all the crewed space stations during the period of the claim.
> I don't believe there will be any long duration missions without a stay in a
> space station (too cramped in most launch vehicles and longest space shuttle
> mission during claim is 15 days 22 hours). Due date is 2018/07/24 so less than
> a year to that due date. So I think that covers it, it looks impossible to
> have more employees in space (without direct government subsidy) than any
> single government or international organisation for at least a year. Therefore
> I think the claim can be judged.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Chris Randles
>
> (crandles 7886)
>
>
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