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Re: fx-discuss: FX Claim Spce can be judged 0

Author: chrisran.bma e-mail
Conversation: Re: fx-discuss: FX Claim Spce can be judged 0 ( prev | next ) reply!
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Date: Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:53 am

chrisran.bma e-mail
Ken Kittlitz



Hi,

Bumping this again. (There was one agreement that it is now impossible.) There
was an email from judge niobium ( mcb@postmodern.com mailto:mcb@postmodern.com
) in Oct 2016. So how long do we wait before deciding we need a new judge?

Regards

Chris

(crandles 7886)


> On 29 August 2017 at 15:00 "chrisran.bma e-mail" <chrisran.bma@virgin.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Sent this over a month ago.
>
> Anyone agree or disagree that it is now impossible to be judged true and
> claim indicates it can be judged in such circumstances.
>
> Is the judge niobium ( mcb@postmodern.com mailto:mcb@postmodern.com )
> aware of this message?
>
> Regards
>
> Chris Randles
>
> (crandles 7886)
>
> > > On 25 July 2017 at 12:44 "chrisran.bma e-mail"
> > > <chrisran.bma@virgin.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >"The 'Yes' verdict on this claim is dependent upon a private
> > >company without direct government subsidy mounting its own program
> > >of space exploration and exploitation. ....
> >
> > 2) the company must have more employees in space (defined as LEO or
> > further) than any single government or international organization for at
> > least one year,"
> >
> > ISS has been continuously crewed
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_International_Space_Station_expeditions
> > and there are 3 people in space at present all on ISS
> > http://www.howmanypeopleareinspacerightnow.com/, 2 of whom are NASA
> > astronauts and one Russian Fyodor Yurchikhin. NASA, Roscosmos and RSC
> > Energia who make Soyuz spacecraft all gets governmental budget. I assume ISS
> > consortium counts as an international organization.
> >
> > LEO requirement appears to me to exclude SpaceShipOne and any other
> > suborbital flights.
> >
> > "Charles David “Charlie” Walker (born August 29, 1948) is an
> > American engineer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer who flew on three
> > Space Shuttle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle missions in 1984
> > and 1985 as a Payload Specialist
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payload_Specialist for the McDonnell Douglas
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas Corporation.[1]
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_D._Walker#cite_note-jsc.nasa.gov-1 He
> > is the first non-government individual to fly in space."
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_D._Walker
> >
> > This is before claim commenced but in any case:
> >
> > "This [Commercial Astronaut] is distinct from an otherwise
> > non-government astronaut (such as Charlie Walker
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_D._Walker ) who flies while
> > representing a non-government corporation but with funding and/or training
> > coming from government sources."
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_astronaut
> >
> > "Two Commercial Astronaut awards have been made. They are
> > SpaceShipOne https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Composites_SpaceShipOne
> > pilots Mike Melvill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Melvill and Brian
> > Binnie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Binnie ."
> >
> > So neither of these two have made it to orbit and total duration of
> > 3 flights that reached space was under 73 minutes and much less than that in
> > space. So there is no way to get to more employees in space for at least one
> > year.
> >
> > I also looked at "Teacher in Space" project - none made it to space
> > and "Educator Astronaut Project" but these were required to become NASA
> > Astronauts.
> >
> > Then there are the 7 space tourists (8 visits).
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_tourism
> >
> > These are, I suggest, going in own capacity even though likely also
> > private company employees. If not satisfied by that, the most days in orbit
> > for all tourists combined in any 12 month period appears to be 37 days
> > (12+14+11).
> >
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_International_Space_Station_visitors
> >
> > has a table for all visitors by agency:
> >
> > NASA 250
> >
> > Roscosmos 83 (Russian Federal Space Agency)
> >
> > European Space Agency (ESA) 23
> >
> > Japan Aerospace Exploration agency (JAXA) 12
> >
> > Canadian Space Agency 8
> >
> > Centre national d'études spatiales(CNES) 1 French government space
> > agency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_agency
> >
> > Brazilian Space Agency (AEB) 1
> >
> > National space agency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_agency of
> > Malaysia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia (ANGKASA) 1
> >
> > Korea Aerospace Research Institute(KARI) 1
> >
> > National Space Agency of the Republic of Kazakhstan (KazCosmos) 1
> >
> > Tourists 8
> >
> >
> > The tourists have been discussed above and the rest look like
> > National Government Space Agencies which will have direct government
> > subsidy.
> >
> > Similar situation for Mir except there was Project Juno sending
> > Helen Sharman:
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Juno
> >
> > The cost of the flight was to be funded by various innovative
> > schemes, including sponsoring by private British companies and a lottery
> > system. Corporate sponsors included British Aerospace
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Aerospace , Memorex
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorex , and Interflora
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interflora , and television rights were sold
> > to ITV https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITV_Network .
> >
> > but
> >
> > Ultimately the Juno consortium failed to raise the entire sum, and
> > the Soviet Union considered cancelling the mission. However Mikhail
> > Gorbachev https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Gorbachev directed the
> > mission to proceed at Soviet cost.
> >
> > Also only 8 days and was before claim started.
> >
> > For Tiangong space station, "With a duration of 15 days, Shenzhou 10
> > was China's longest manned space mission to date, until Shenzhou 11's 30 day
> > mission to Tiangong-2 in 2016."
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiangong-1
> >
> > Only one visit to Tiangong-2, as mentioned above only 30 days.
> >
> >
> > That covers all the crewed space stations during the period of the
> > claim. I don't believe there will be any long duration missions without a
> > stay in a space station (too cramped in most launch vehicles and longest
> > space shuttle mission during claim is 15 days 22 hours). Due date is
> > 2018/07/24 so less than a year to that due date. So I think that covers it,
> > it looks impossible to have more employees in space (without direct
> > government subsidy) than any single government or international organisation
> > for at least a year. Therefore I think the claim can be judged.
> >
> > Best Regards
> >
> > Chris Randles
> >
> > (crandles 7886)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
>
>
>


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