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Re: fx-discuss: FX Claim Spce can be judged 0

Author: Sam Fentress
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In-Reply-To: Ken Kittlitz's post
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2017 08:11 pm
Ken Kittlitz
Michael C. BerchSam Fentress




I'm happy to judge. I have no holdings in this claim.

Sam (Zucchini 3899)

On Oct 12, 2017 6:42 PM, "Ken Kittlitz" <kittlitz@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm happy to appoint a new judge if we need one and someone volunteers.
>
> -Ken
>
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 8:53 AM, chrisran.bma e-mail <
> chrisran.bma@virgin.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Bumping this again. (There was one agreement that it is now impossible.)
>> There was an email from judge niobium ( mcb@postmodern.com ) in Oct
>> 2016. So how long do we wait before deciding we need a new judge?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> (crandles 7886)
>>
>>
>> On 29 August 2017 at 15:00 "chrisran.bma e-mail" <chrisran.bma@virgin.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Sent this over a month ago.
>>
>> Anyone agree or disagree that it is now impossible to be judged true and
>> claim indicates it can be judged in such circumstances.
>>
>> Is the judge niobium ( mcb@postmodern.com ) aware of this message?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Chris Randles
>>
>> (crandles 7886)
>>
>> On 25 July 2017 at 12:44 "chrisran.bma e-mail" <chrisran.bma@virgin.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >"The 'Yes' verdict on this claim is dependent upon a private company
>> without direct government subsidy mounting its own program of space
>> exploration and exploitation. ....
>>
>> 2) the company must have more employees in space (defined as LEO or
>> further) than any single government or international organization for at
>> least one year,"
>>
>> ISS has been continuously crewed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_In
>> ternational_Space_Station_expeditions and there are 3 people in space at
>> present all on ISS http://www.howmanypeopleareinspacerightnow.com/, 2 of
>> whom are NASA astronauts and one Russian Fyodor Yurchikhin. NASA, Roscosmos
>> and RSC Energia who make Soyuz spacecraft all gets governmental budget. I
>> assume ISS consortium counts as an international organization.
>>
>> LEO requirement appears to me to exclude SpaceShipOne and any other
>> suborbital flights.
>>
>> *"Charles David “Charlie” Walker *(born August 29, 1948) is an American
>> engineer <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer who flew on three Space
>> Shuttle <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle missions in 1984
>> and 1985 as a Payload Specialist
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payload_Specialistfor the McDonnell
>> Douglas <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas Corporation.[1]
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_D._Walker#cite_note-jsc.nasa.gov-1
>> He is the first non-government individual to fly in space."
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_D._Walker
>>
>> This is before claim commenced but in any case:
>>
>> "This [Commercial Astronaut] is distinct from an otherwise non-government
>> astronaut (such as Charlie Walker
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_D._Walker) who flies while
>> representing a non-government corporation but with funding and/or training
>> coming from government sources."
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_astronaut
>>
>> "Two Commercial Astronaut awards have been made. They are SpaceShipOne
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Composites_SpaceShipOne pilots Mike
>> Melvill <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Melvill and Brian Binnie
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Binnie."
>>
>> So neither of these two have made it to orbit and total duration of 3
>> flights that reached space was under 73 minutes and much less than that in
>> space. So there is no way to get to more employees in space for at least
>> one year.
>>
>> I also looked at "Teacher in Space" project - none made it to space and
>> "Educator Astronaut Project" but these were required to become NASA
>> Astronauts.
>>
>> Then there are the 7 space tourists (8 visits).
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_tourism
>>
>> These are, I suggest, going in own capacity even though likely also
>> private company employees. If not satisfied by that, the most days in orbit
>> for all tourists combined in any 12 month period appears to be 37 days
>> (12+14+11).
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_International_Space_St
>> ation_visitors
>>
>> has a table for all visitors by agency:
>>
>> NASA 250
>>
>> Roscosmos 83 (Russian Federal Space Agency)
>>
>> European Space Agency (ESA) 23
>>
>> Japan Aerospace Exploration agency (JAXA) 12
>>
>> Canadian Space Agency 8
>>
>> Centre national d'études spatiales(CNES) 1 French government space agency
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_agency
>>
>> Brazilian Space Agency (AEB) 1
>>
>> National space agency <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_agency of
>> Malaysia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia (ANGKASA) 1
>>
>> Korea Aerospace Research Institute(KARI) 1
>>
>> National Space Agency of the Republic of Kazakhstan (KazCosmos) 1
>>
>> Tourists 8
>>
>>
>> The tourists have been discussed above and the rest look like National
>> Government Space Agencies which will have direct government subsidy.
>>
>> Similar situation for Mir except there was Project Juno sending Helen
>> Sharman:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Juno
>>
>> The cost of the flight was to be funded by various innovative schemes,
>> including sponsoring by private British companies and a lottery system.
>> Corporate sponsors included British Aerospace
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Aerospace, Memorex
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorex, and Interflora
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interflora, and television rights were
>> sold to ITV <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITV_Network.
>>
>> but
>>
>> Ultimately the Juno consortium failed to raise the entire sum, and the
>> Soviet Union considered cancelling the mission. However Mikhail Gorbachev
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Gorbachev directed the mission
>> to proceed at Soviet cost.
>>
>> Also only 8 days and was before claim started.
>>
>> For Tiangong space station, "With a duration of 15 days, Shenzhou 10 was
>> China's longest manned space mission to date, until Shenzhou 11's 30 day
>> mission to Tiangong-2 in 2016."
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiangong-1
>>
>> Only one visit to Tiangong-2, as mentioned above only 30 days.
>>
>>
>> That covers all the crewed space stations during the period of the claim.
>> I don't believe there will be any long duration missions without a stay in
>> a space station (too cramped in most launch vehicles and longest space
>> shuttle mission during claim is 15 days 22 hours). Due date is 2018/07/24
>> so less than a year to that due date. So I think that covers it, it looks
>> impossible to have more employees in space (without direct government
>> subsidy) than any single government or international organisation for at
>> least a year. Therefore I think the claim can be judged.
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>> Chris Randles
>>
>> (crandles 7886)
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