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  "And the way you measure who has won a presidential election is by the Electoral College counts presented to Congress. (And if you're worried that there's a chance the results may be delayed, then push the deadline way back, because saying that a candidate hasn't won because the results aren't in sounds strange to me.)"

That's not a complete procedure for determining the President.  The Congress will pick the President in various scenarios and/or challenge a State's certification of it's vote.
But I agree that the idea of the former President squatting in the White House would not decide the claim.  He would not really be POTUS; if he succeeded in holding power then the US would have fallen to a coup.

    On Sunday, February 23, 2020, 09:29:52 PM EST, Sam Fentress <sfentress@gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 11:54 PM @lbutlr <kremels@kreme.com> wrote:

What ifs there is no tie, but the instruments of government refuse to acknowledge the vote? What if he lose the EC and is still awaited the Office? What if Trump simply refuses to leave office and has the backing of all the people he’s appointed who have pledged loyalty to him and not the US?


The original claim was "Trump wins the presidential election in 2020." This seems to me to be the intent of the claim -- the winning of the election, not all the possible, impossible, and imaginary scenarios that may take place later.
I personally think that the whole discussion of who is or isn't legally president on a certain day in 2021 is beside the point IF the original intent of the claim was about the election itself -- i.e. the will of the American people etc etc -- and not about legal shenanigans. And the way you measure who has won a presidential election is by the Electoral College counts presented to Congress. (And if you're worried that there's a chance the results may be delayed, then push the deadline way back, because saying that a candidate hasn't won because the results aren't in sounds strange to me.)
If, however, the claim proposer is more interested in who is in office on Feb 1st, regardless of the election, then we should remove the election aspect entirely, and determine some other way that we will decide what counts as being the "President of the USA." 
I think tying the two parts together is what's generating all the discussion.
Sam  

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