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Re: fx-discuss: FX Claim Spce can be judged 0

Author: Ken Kittlitz
Conversation: Re: fx-discuss: FX Claim Spce can be judged 0 ( prev | next ) reply!
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Followed-Up-By: Michael C. Berch's post, Sam Fentress's post
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2017 06:06 pm
chrisran.bma e-mail
Ken Kittlitz
Michael C. BerchSam Fentress



I'm happy to appoint a new judge if we need one and someone volunteers.

-Ken

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 8:53 AM, chrisran.bma e-mail <
chrisran.bma@virgin.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Bumping this again. (There was one agreement that it is now impossible.)
> There was an email from judge niobium ( mcb@postmodern.com ) in Oct 2016.
> So how long do we wait before deciding we need a new judge?
>
> Regards
>
> Chris
>
> (crandles 7886)
>
>
> On 29 August 2017 at 15:00 "chrisran.bma e-mail" <chrisran.bma@virgin.net>
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Sent this over a month ago.
>
> Anyone agree or disagree that it is now impossible to be judged true and
> claim indicates it can be judged in such circumstances.
>
> Is the judge niobium ( mcb@postmodern.com ) aware of this message?
>
> Regards
>
> Chris Randles
>
> (crandles 7886)
>
> On 25 July 2017 at 12:44 "chrisran.bma e-mail" <chrisran.bma@virgin.net>
> wrote:
>
> >"The 'Yes' verdict on this claim is dependent upon a private company
> without direct government subsidy mounting its own program of space
> exploration and exploitation. ....
>
> 2) the company must have more employees in space (defined as LEO or
> further) than any single government or international organization for at
> least one year,"
>
> ISS has been continuously crewed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_
> International_Space_Station_expeditions and there are 3 people in space
> at present all on ISS http://www.howmanypeopleareinspacerightnow.com/, 2
> of whom are NASA astronauts and one Russian Fyodor Yurchikhin. NASA,
> Roscosmos and RSC Energia who make Soyuz spacecraft all gets governmental
> budget. I assume ISS consortium counts as an international organization.
>
> LEO requirement appears to me to exclude SpaceShipOne and any other
> suborbital flights.
>
> *"Charles David “Charlie” Walker *(born August 29, 1948) is an American
> engineer <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer who flew on three Space
> Shuttle <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle missions in 1984
> and 1985 as a Payload Specialist
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payload_Specialistfor the McDonnell
> Douglas <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas Corporation.[1]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_D._Walker#cite_note-jsc.nasa.gov-1
> He is the first non-government individual to fly in space."
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_D._Walker
>
> This is before claim commenced but in any case:
>
> "This [Commercial Astronaut] is distinct from an otherwise non-government
> astronaut (such as Charlie Walker
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_D._Walker) who flies while
> representing a non-government corporation but with funding and/or training
> coming from government sources."
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_astronaut
>
> "Two Commercial Astronaut awards have been made. They are SpaceShipOne
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Composites_SpaceShipOne pilots Mike
> Melvill <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Melvill and Brian Binnie
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Binnie."
>
> So neither of these two have made it to orbit and total duration of 3
> flights that reached space was under 73 minutes and much less than that in
> space. So there is no way to get to more employees in space for at least
> one year.
>
> I also looked at "Teacher in Space" project - none made it to space and
> "Educator Astronaut Project" but these were required to become NASA
> Astronauts.
>
> Then there are the 7 space tourists (8 visits).
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_tourism
>
> These are, I suggest, going in own capacity even though likely also
> private company employees. If not satisfied by that, the most days in orbit
> for all tourists combined in any 12 month period appears to be 37 days
> (12+14+11).
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_International_Space_Station_visitors
>
> has a table for all visitors by agency:
>
> NASA 250
>
> Roscosmos 83 (Russian Federal Space Agency)
>
> European Space Agency (ESA) 23
>
> Japan Aerospace Exploration agency (JAXA) 12
>
> Canadian Space Agency 8
>
> Centre national d'études spatiales(CNES) 1 French government space agency
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_agency
>
> Brazilian Space Agency (AEB) 1
>
> National space agency <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_agency of
> Malaysia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia (ANGKASA) 1
>
> Korea Aerospace Research Institute(KARI) 1
>
> National Space Agency of the Republic of Kazakhstan (KazCosmos) 1
>
> Tourists 8
>
>
> The tourists have been discussed above and the rest look like National
> Government Space Agencies which will have direct government subsidy.
>
> Similar situation for Mir except there was Project Juno sending Helen
> Sharman:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Juno
>
> The cost of the flight was to be funded by various innovative schemes,
> including sponsoring by private British companies and a lottery system.
> Corporate sponsors included British Aerospace
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Aerospace, Memorex
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorex, and Interflora
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interflora, and television rights were
> sold to ITV <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITV_Network.
>
> but
>
> Ultimately the Juno consortium failed to raise the entire sum, and the
> Soviet Union considered cancelling the mission. However Mikhail Gorbachev
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Gorbachev directed the mission to
> proceed at Soviet cost.
>
> Also only 8 days and was before claim started.
>
> For Tiangong space station, "With a duration of 15 days, Shenzhou 10 was
> China's longest manned space mission to date, until Shenzhou 11's 30 day
> mission to Tiangong-2 in 2016."
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiangong-1
>
> Only one visit to Tiangong-2, as mentioned above only 30 days.
>
>
> That covers all the crewed space stations during the period of the claim.
> I don't believe there will be any long duration missions without a stay in
> a space station (too cramped in most launch vehicles and longest space
> shuttle mission during claim is 15 days 22 hours). Due date is 2018/07/24
> so less than a year to that due date. So I think that covers it, it looks
> impossible to have more employees in space (without direct government
> subsidy) than any single government or international organisation for at
> least a year. Therefore I think the claim can be judged.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Chris Randles
>
> (crandles 7886)
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