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Re: fx-discuss: FX Claim Spce can be judged 0

Author: chrisran.bma e-mail
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Date: Tue Jul 25, 2017 07:44 am

chrisran.bma e-mail

>"The 'Yes' verdict on this claim is dependent upon a private company without
>direct government subsidy mounting its own program of space exploration and
>exploitation. ....

2) the company must have more employees in space (defined as LEO or further)
than any single government or international organization for at least one year,"

ISS has been continuously crewed
and there are 3 people in space at present all on ISS, 2 of whom are NASA astronauts
and one Russian Fyodor Yurchikhin. NASA, Roscosmos and RSC Energia who make
Soyuz spacecraft all gets governmental budget. I assume ISS consortium counts as
an international organization.

LEO requirement appears to me to exclude SpaceShipOne and any other suborbital

"Charles David “Charlie” Walker (born August 29, 1948) is an American engineer who flew on three Space Shuttle missions in 1984 and 1985 as a
Payload Specialist for the
McDonnell Douglas
Corporation.[1] He is
the first non-government individual to fly in space."

This is before claim commenced but in any case:

"This [Commercial Astronaut] is distinct from an otherwise non-government
astronaut (such as Charlie Walker ) who flies while representing a
non-government corporation but with funding and/or training coming from
government sources."

"Two Commercial Astronaut awards have been made. They are SpaceShipOne pilots Mike
Melvill and Brian Binnie ."

So neither of these two have made it to orbit and total duration of 3 flights
that reached space was under 73 minutes and much less than that in space. So
there is no way to get to more employees in space for at least one year.

I also looked at "Teacher in Space" project - none made it to space and
"Educator Astronaut Project" but these were required to become NASA Astronauts.

Then there are the 7 space tourists (8 visits).

These are, I suggest, going in own capacity even though likely also private
company employees. If not satisfied by that, the most days in orbit for all
tourists combined in any 12 month period appears to be 37 days (12+14+11).

has a table for all visitors by agency:

NASA 250

Roscosmos 83 (Russian Federal Space Agency)

European Space Agency (ESA) 23

Japan Aerospace Exploration agency (JAXA) 12

Canadian Space Agency 8

Centre national d'études spatiales(CNES) 1 French government space agency

Brazilian Space Agency (AEB) 1

National space agency of Malaysia (ANGKASA) 1

Korea Aerospace Research Institute(KARI) 1

National Space Agency of the Republic of Kazakhstan (KazCosmos) 1

Tourists 8

The tourists have been discussed above and the rest look like National
Government Space Agencies which will have direct government subsidy.

Similar situation for Mir except there was Project Juno sending Helen Sharman:

The cost of the flight was to be funded by various innovative schemes, including
sponsoring by private British companies and a lottery system. Corporate sponsors
included British Aerospace ,
Memorex , and Interflora , and television rights were sold to


Ultimately the Juno consortium failed to raise the entire sum, and the Soviet
Union considered cancelling the mission. However Mikhail Gorbachev directed the mission to proceed
at Soviet cost.

Also only 8 days and was before claim started.

For Tiangong space station, "With a duration of 15 days, Shenzhou 10 was China's
longest manned space mission to date, until Shenzhou 11's 30 day mission to
Tiangong-2 in 2016."

Only one visit to Tiangong-2, as mentioned above only 30 days.

That covers all the crewed space stations during the period of the claim. I
don't believe there will be any long duration missions without a stay in a space
station (too cramped in most launch vehicles and longest space shuttle mission
during claim is 15 days 22 hours). Due date is 2018/07/24 so less than a year to
that due date. So I think that covers it, it looks impossible to have more
employees in space (without direct government subsidy) than any single
government or international organisation for at least a year. Therefore I think
the claim can be judged.

Best Regards

Chris Randles

(crandles 7886)


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