From owner-fx-propose@ideosphere.com Sun Feb 23 21:24:36 2020
Received: from ideosphere.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])
	by ideosphere.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 01O2Oa5V006017
	for <fx-propose-outgoing@ideosphere.com>; Sun, 23 Feb 2020 21:24:36 -0500
Received: (from majordomo@localhost)
	by ideosphere.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id 01O2Oawe006016
	for fx-propose-outgoing; Sun, 23 Feb 2020 21:24:36 -0500
Received: from mail-ed1-f52.google.com (mail-ed1-f52.google.com [209.85.208.52])
	by ideosphere.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 01O2OZni006010
	for <fx-propose@ideosphere.com>; Sun, 23 Feb 2020 21:24:36 -0500
Received: by mail-ed1-f52.google.com with SMTP id r21so10125948edq.0
        for <fx-propose@ideosphere.com>; Sun, 23 Feb 2020 18:24:36 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
        d=gmail.com; s=20161025;
        h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to;
        bh=/B9UeJd9dkEKtC48QGJfPsLpmIEos0/HZe0qiSmMa9k=;
        b=Zq6x146XWAjtJn8fYEJTq9I7S8dRef1oBdOisSOxhmnP/Fap+K1mPkiP4LdWxci7B7
         Rz+XdWi8EP6c7RY+5xHC/4qyoBciny6F4lUUFg0+wJI0Z+oWXPVKFoJA9FpX8RV3deSC
         raV1iK28MfZas8jUJVNtokRv7lLoK662L7hLJ8PDOU+JpI/ZHQg9wx9/3ohE75PU8zwT
         WLC1mLsCkb4Y+jiVklOp2g+HG4ycLj09EGVJxbuk/5sMNvF4Q1iMVrrMdRyZyIEwUT5x
         F5E6ZuZuSMQDwiqdhmifVa11J/h0SI0ltEAs7gueAWHjsCLuXFSpKrm+YB+skFeGqZk/
         8UVA==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
        d=1e100.net; s=20161025;
        h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date
         :message-id:subject:to;
        bh=/B9UeJd9dkEKtC48QGJfPsLpmIEos0/HZe0qiSmMa9k=;
        b=FOsJMCXPVFGYZhdhoYn2J8tZNMuc7JwsjdVuP7TztCUaWgGTRa3o4CWbAwVQr8XmVA
         fk5nptaSHWA7px4VUsfdbY8csLZLw7/XjkYh5ObNvF7hweRCplICUnfLD/awqZvIcFHP
         V1pTdUFTwPY+lsNdXt9wtDJ/dFReUkKAMDcwtivhFmQttOlvX0dTRz3EU4BZT8in3C4m
         0d72HE6EQTnySzNNXZnaTrgYD3XVtFRmkEfNotmxzfEBJl8EbdhRhy4cnM91Ak2uvfnp
         AEU234Ge57BIYdD28WhCfTYt/pQwIBYUs+edobb3SAtvxG7ZhQ8l04x3xxjOuj1Dh+aM
         qs+Q==
X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAU4e3xgt6AyGF5reqddEOh5uKxyyvzrooOF6l5e/fc1dB3W1dJ6
	bhECTWXmFa74dcl0pn/rxOZb/CkvkmCMbnVBlnkfqozLe1g=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxjP58er7eXmTJkiseXIydTS91GL+2RWxbz5OyR+9uGjAumu3bZAJ7EHZA+EUFF5hf0jbdMv7kXNaTT0aKsl+c=
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:2036:: with SMTP id ay22mr43916882edb.303.1582511074304;
 Sun, 23 Feb 2020 18:24:34 -0800 (PST)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <202002210030.01L0UcuK006718@ideosphere.com> <391847523.2746677.1582292496751@mail2.virginmedia.com>
 <CAAra84RP0boH=ge-xTLnZrOdpfCWjJc_1H2=43ie+yOXp=xL6w@mail.gmail.com>
 <1688006519.2756621.1582311887591@mail2.virginmedia.com> <CAAra84TRR5srNttTyMwJ+V6z93T0vfNbko8DP1rBq0NtQG_f2g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+EdDHhgm+x9otEfBXsFXQmzjTcUtJmZgbvR5hLkMBn56BTaUw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1231706490.2759601.1582327976220@mail2.virginmedia.com> <8D6F2CF0-A0CE-4AB1-A55F-61B15FD359C6@kreme.com>
In-Reply-To: <8D6F2CF0-A0CE-4AB1-A55F-61B15FD359C6@kreme.com>
From: Sam Fentress <sfentress@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 21:24:08 -0500
Message-ID: <CAAra84QosEjEiUgRgEEthpM54cSCfc5S5-2_8L6i_6M3D7FHNg@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: fx-propose: Revision of Proposal: 'R2020'
To: fx-propose@ideosphere.com
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006fe792059f491281"
Sender: owner-fx-propose@ideosphere.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: fx-propose@ideosphere.com

 
 On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 11:54 PM @lbutlr <kremels@kreme.com> wrote:

>
> What ifs there is no tie, but the instruments of government refuse to
> acknowledge the vote? What if he lose the EC and is still awaited the
> Office? What if Trump simply refuses to leave office and has the backing of
> all the people he’s appointed who have pledged loyalty to him and not the
> US?
>

The original claim was "Trump wins the presidential election in 2020." This
seems to me to be the intent of the claim -- the winning of the election,
not all the possible, impossible, and imaginary scenarios that may take
place later.

I personally think that the whole discussion of who is or isn't legally
president on a certain day in 2021 is beside the point IF the original
intent of the claim was about the election itself -- i.e. the will of the
American people etc etc -- and not about legal shenanigans. And the way you
measure who has won a presidential election is by the Electoral College
counts presented to Congress. (And if you're worried that there's a chance
the results may be delayed, then push the deadline way back, because saying
that a candidate hasn't won because the results aren't in sounds strange to
me.)

If, however, the claim proposer is more interested in who is in office on
Feb 1st, regardless of the election, then we should remove the election
aspect entirely, and determine some other way that we will decide what
counts as being the "President of the USA."

I think tying the two parts together is what's generating all the
discussion.

Sam