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Re: fx-propose: Revision of Proposal: 'R2020'

Author: Sam Fentress
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In-Reply-To: @lbutlr's post
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Date: Sun Feb 23, 2020 09:24 pm

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 11:54 PM @lbutlr <> wrote:

> What ifs there is no tie, but the instruments of government refuse to
> acknowledge the vote? What if he lose the EC and is still awaited the
> Office? What if Trump simply refuses to leave office and has the backing of
> all the people he’s appointed who have pledged loyalty to him and not the
> US?

The original claim was "Trump wins the presidential election in 2020." This
seems to me to be the intent of the claim -- the winning of the election,
not all the possible, impossible, and imaginary scenarios that may take
place later.

I personally think that the whole discussion of who is or isn't legally
president on a certain day in 2021 is beside the point IF the original
intent of the claim was about the election itself -- i.e. the will of the
American people etc etc -- and not about legal shenanigans. And the way you
measure who has won a presidential election is by the Electoral College
counts presented to Congress. (And if you're worried that there's a chance
the results may be delayed, then push the deadline way back, because saying
that a candidate hasn't won because the results aren't in sounds strange to

If, however, the claim proposer is more interested in who is in office on
Feb 1st, regardless of the election, then we should remove the election
aspect entirely, and determine some other way that we will decide what
counts as being the "President of the USA."

I think tying the two parts together is what's generating all the



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